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TOPIC: The Holocaust Deniers Triad of Traits
The Holocaust Deniers Triad of Traits 17 Nov 2016 12:32 #1
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Holocaust Denial settles comfortably into one of two niches: Ethnic Hate: The Denialists dislike Jews, Jewishness, Jewry, or less damning, don't like Israel. Or, perhaps they just really like the Third Reich, Hitler and buy into Aryan Supremacy mumbo-jumbo. By denying the Holocaust, they can remove some sympathy from the hated Jews (or de-legitimize Israel's founding), and restore some respect to the beloved Nazis. You typically don't want to argue anything with this sort of denialist. There's no winning. You may occasionally run into a Wehraboo, who in their enthusiasm for history and/or historical gaming, lose sight of the forest for the trees. A discussion of the technical and logistical feats involved in perpetrating the Holocaust, and the sheer scale of it, may get their attention long enough to bring them back to earth with a crash. Contrarianism: They want to believe there is more to know than what they know, they yearn for layers under layers, but are too lazy to realize that the way to find what they want out of history is in resolving detail, not removing masks. The fantasy of secret knowledge and conspiracies to keep them from it is the thrill. There is nothing you can do here in terms of arguing on the merits. You're a part of the conspiracy they're fighting against the moment you engage them on the topic in good faith. You would be much better served in letting them know about the history of Holocaust Denial itself, and the unsavory company they find themselves in. Wikipedia has a well researched section on this, and a regular clown-car full of hateful men who created it and kept it alive. Begin with Harry Elmer Barnes, who got his start absolving Germany of all blame for the First World War in the '20s and '30s, and kept the ball rolling with Holocaust Denialism right after the Second World War. People of a non-European background who don't understand what the big deal is may not have seen pictures of liberated concentration camps. That's usually enough to stifle half-understood conspiracy theories they may have heard from someone who heard from someone. In short, don't bother too much with this project - you're more likely than not dealing with a bigot or a lunatic, neither of which are open to honest debate. At the Nuremberg trials the holocaust was one of the indictments. None of the defendants pretended that the holocaust had not happened, because this was not credible, and they didn't want to concede that the holocaust was wrong. No trial is perfect, but unlike the Nazis' 'trials' (when they even bothered) at Nuremberg the accused had lawyers, were not tortured, and some of them were acquitted. Their defences were along the lines of -Hitler told us to. -I had nothing to do with it, it was the other defendants. -It was self-defence to kill the Jews because [insert mouth-foaming Nazi rubbish here]. The holocaust can't be denied unless basically all history is denied. If you're going to go that far, why not deny that world war 2 happened? After all, you weren't there. history.stackexchange.com/questions/26838/how-to-rebut-holocaust-denial-argument/26853 There certainly does seem to be traits linking holocaust denial: 1) Liking the Third Reich 2) Separatists &/or Jew haters 3) Contrarianism If holocaust denial was objective surely there would be plenty of them that either don't like the Third Reich, that like Jews, or are not obsessed with contrarianism. That's the triad of traits for holocaust deniers.  |
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The Holocaust Deniers Triad of Traits 17 Nov 2016 12:55 #2
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The Holocaust Deniers Triad of Traits 17 Nov 2016 13:33 #3
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''Wikipedia has a well researched section on this''
Its here where the article looses all credibility  |
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The Holocaust Deniers Triad of Traits 17 Nov 2016 13:42 #4
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The Holocaust Deniers Triad of Traits 17 Nov 2016 14:08 #5
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Grolongo wrote:
''Wikipedia has a well researched section on this'' Its here where the article looses all credibility Here's a list of holocaust deniers from the Wikipedia webpage Salvador Abascal Mahmoud Ahmadinejad[122][201] Mahmoud Abbas[112][114][115][117][202][203] Mohammed Mahdi Akef Steven L. Anderson[204] Abdel Aziz al-Rantissi[105] Maurice Bardèche Harry Elmer Barnes[205] David Berg[206] Salvador Borrego James von Brunn Pat Buchanan Arthur Butz Willis Carto Thies Christophersen Doug Collins Larry Darby Günter Deckert Léon Degrelle Savitri Devi David Duke François Duprat Robert Faurisson Bobby Fischer[207] Roger Garaudy Pedro Varela Geiss Hutton Gibson Jürgen Graf Nick Griffin Michael A. Hoffman II Ursula Haverbeck David Hoggan Gerd Honsik David Irving Nathanael Kapner Ilias Kasidiaris James Keegstra Ali Khamenei Nicholas Kollerstrom Fred A. Leuchter Norman Lowell Horst Mahler Dieudonné M'bala M'bala James J. Martin Khaled Mashal Carlo Mattogno David McCalden Nikolaos Michaloliakos[208] Khalid Abdul Muhammad Eustace Mullins Carl O. Nordling Adnan Oktar William Luther Pierce Konstantinos Plevris Roeland Raes[209] Ahmed Rami Paul Rassinier Dariusz Ratajczak Otto Ernst Remer V. T. Rajshekar John Kingsley Read Michèle Renouf Vincent Reynouard George Lincoln Rockwell Manfred Roeder Germar Rudolf Bernhard Schaub Miguel Serrano Gerald L. K. Smith Wilhelm Stäglich Sultan bin Zayed bin Sultan Al Nahyan Georges Theil Serge Thion Gerald Fredrick Töben Ferdinand Topacio Siegfried Verbeke Richard Verrall Udo Walendy Mark Weber Richard Williamson Ernst Zündel And 209 reference sources used, plus publications about holocaust denial and by holocaust deniers, I'd say that's fairly well researched, the Wikipedia page is not refuting holocaust denial you buffoon it's simply outlining the case for it. If you would like to read the page you'll find it is pretty well researched. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holocaust_denial But anyway this thread is not about Wikipedia, it's about the traid of traits of at least one element is always present in holocaust denial, attacking Wikipedia's article is a lame response, it's actually quite factual and objective. |
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The Holocaust Deniers Triad of Traits 17 Nov 2016 14:22 #6
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You can NOT have war without mind control
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The Holocaust Deniers Triad of Traits 17 Nov 2016 14:48 #7
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The Holocaust Deniers Triad of Traits 17 Nov 2016 15:12 #8
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The list of fallacies is strong on this one.
One doesn't need to be a half-truther, liking the zionist-sponsored and led Third Reich to know the physical, chemical and logical impossibilities of the Holocaust Story. The piece on "Contrarianism" is a joke. There are no conspiracies or secrets to be uncovered, boys and girls, everything (((we))) wrote in the history books happened the way we want you to remember it On top of that; Rat, by his own admission, disputes the 6,000,000 number. So that makes you a "denier" too.  |
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The Only Limit is Your Own Imagination
A truth seeker is someone who dares to wade through thick series of toxic smoke screens and tries not to inhale - Gaia "What do you call 'genius'?" "Well, seeing things others don't see. Or rather the invisible links between things." - Vladimir Nabokov (1938) "The silence of conspiracy. Slaughtered on the altar of apathy." - Lords of the New Church (1982) |
The Holocaust Deniers Triad of Traits 17 Nov 2016 15:23 #9
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The Holocaust Deniers Triad of Traits 17 Nov 2016 15:33 #10
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The Holocaust Deniers Triad of Traits 17 Nov 2016 15:51 #11
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The Holocaust Deniers Triad of Traits 17 Nov 2016 16:26 #12
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To understand who rules over you look to whom you tube can't criticise
The media isn't there to cover the news It's there to cover the news up All establishment lies pass through three stages First, they are accepted as being self evident Second, they are exposed by diligent research Third, they are enforced "Communism is the bloodiest, most difficult and the most terrible way from capitalism to capitalism" from Under the Sign of the Scorpion by Juri Lina |
The Holocaust Deniers Triad of Traits 17 Nov 2016 16:35 #13
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"have to have a contrary view on everything"
You're reversing the methodology here, on purpose, I know. The insights about different truths behind vast amounts of lies are gained from the data, not the other way around, like you present here. Not: "the history books are wrong, so the Holocaust Story must be bogus", but "the data shows the Holocaust Story is bogus, so the history books are wrong". Rat wrote: Gaia On top of that; Rat, by his own admission, disputes the 6,000,000 number. So that makes you a "denier" too Yes I do dispute the numbers but I don't deny that the homicidal chambers were used, Nobody denies this. Because denial is only possible for facts. One can deny that the Sun is yellow. One cannot "deny" that grass is blue, because grass isn't blue. Homicidal gas chambers as presented to us (= data) are physically and chemically impossible. That's the starting point, not the propaganda talks by everyone involved. so for me it's a bit like saying xyz is a mass murderer but he didn't murder as many as is being pinned on him. I've often though that the 6 or 8 million figure suited the holocaust deniers because it makes the logistics impractical. I don't think that much is recorded in history with an awful lot of accuracy for example it's debatable about how many Native Indians were killed in the US and Canada, but it's not debated that they were killed on mass none the same by a form of genocide. Most of the indigenous peoples of the Americas were killed by diseases. The population decline in the first century of European invasion is in the 70-80%. That is well documented and makes sense. I am not an expert on North American indigenous peoples, but for the Spanish occupied areas I've done enough research. There is no reason why the North Americans would suffer a completely different fate. Other sources of indigenous decline were intermarrying with whites (mestizos) and black slaves (mulattos), expulsion and recollection in "reserves" and yes, murders took place too. But those were not on a mass scale; the occupying forces wanted the indigenous peoples to work for them and pay tributes, not wipe them out, as then the invaders suddenly needed to do all the work. For the Holocaust, the most interesting and challenging case is Treblinka. 
A MINIMUM death count of 46,000 kills per month (~1500 per day, every day, for 15 months) with no traces found of any deaths (except the planted "evidence" in the BBC "documentary"), let alone so freakingly many, is impossible. Even if one deflates the numbers by 50%, then still 750 bodies need to be disposed of PER DAY. It is not (just) the numbers that make the Holocaust Story unbearable to present as true. It is the physics, chemistry and logic that debunks it. |
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The Only Limit is Your Own Imagination
A truth seeker is someone who dares to wade through thick series of toxic smoke screens and tries not to inhale - Gaia "What do you call 'genius'?" "Well, seeing things others don't see. Or rather the invisible links between things." - Vladimir Nabokov (1938) "The silence of conspiracy. Slaughtered on the altar of apathy." - Lords of the New Church (1982) |
The Holocaust Deniers Triad of Traits 17 Nov 2016 17:18 #14
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Truth is anti-semitic |
The Holocaust Deniers Triad of Traits 17 Nov 2016 23:33 #15
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The Holocaust Deniers Triad of Traits 17 Nov 2016 23:33 #16
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The Holocaust Deniers Triad of Traits 17 Nov 2016 23:37 #17
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The Holocaust Deniers Triad of Traits 17 Nov 2016 23:41 #18
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You can't deny something that never happened.
The holocaust didn't happen. It's a lie. It's fake. That's it. So fuck off Frothy  |
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The Holocaust Deniers Triad of Traits 17 Nov 2016 23:45 #19
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Rat wrote:
Voltaire wrote:
What leads one to be an adherent to the TRIAD? I will admit to always being contrarian. The other 2 points emerged in my thinking AFTER looking into the Holocaust. So I was not predisposed to separatism/anti jewish sentiments, nor supporting the 3rd reich. Your op premise is flawed. Best to delete it and do better. You fail to comprehend the point, the matter of fact is, you are a holocaust denier, you do like the third Reich, you have a low opinion of Jews, and you as you say are contrarian. You tick all three boxes of the triad, your path to it is irrelevant, you're a perfect model for my case. Your whole "case" is filled with air, yet sinks at the first test. Quit the bullshit, you don't even understand the basics of logic and semantics. As I am saying all the way and Orangeaid repeats here: "One cannot deny something that didn't happen". Have fun with your blue grass and green Sun.  |
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The Only Limit is Your Own Imagination
A truth seeker is someone who dares to wade through thick series of toxic smoke screens and tries not to inhale - Gaia "What do you call 'genius'?" "Well, seeing things others don't see. Or rather the invisible links between things." - Vladimir Nabokov (1938) "The silence of conspiracy. Slaughtered on the altar of apathy." - Lords of the New Church (1982) |
The Holocaust Deniers Triad of Traits 17 Nov 2016 23:46 #20
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