TOPIC: The David icke reunion of all banned members- probably everybody!

I'd like to answer to some of the points made by certain posters in this thread because i feel they are unfair...

The NWO is piggy-backing on racial disgruntlement

I think we are currently seeing a giant psyop reaching its apogee with 'conservatives' being pitted against 'liberals' and visa versa

I believe this is all a divide and rule strategy on the part of the NWO cabal. I believe that they control both the 'left' and 'right' wings of government and that when they get a right wing party into government they pursue an aggressive foreign policy abroad that crushes any global resistance to the NWO and when they get a 'left' party in power they pursue aggressive social engineering as a domestic policy to prepare the western public for the NWO

For example the job of the republicans is to push wars that benefit zionist expansionism abroad and the job of the democrats is to destroy the US as a nation state from within

The NWO cabal are a globalist clique who want to replace all countries with a world government which they would control. Where i feel many people on 'the left' are misled is that I do not believe the cabal are seeking to build a utopia where the workers will own and control the means of production. I believe the NWO cabal is creating a technocratic gulag state where the workers will be hopeless slaves of the oligarchic elites

This is why i support brexit and why i'm opposed to the EU because the EU is simply a stepping stone on their planned route to world government. The EU is run by the 'commission' which is made up of unelected politicians who sit with corporate chiefs and dictate to them what to put in policy. In the OLD left we used to call this FASCISM. The NEW left on the other hand seems to have no problem with being part of a fascist EU superstate nor does it seem to have any issue with mega-corporations shutting down free speech.

To the OLD left the corporations, owned and controlled as they were and are by the oligarchic elites were the bad guys to be opposed by trade unions that sought to marshal the collective bargaining power of the workers against the ruthless profit motive of the psychopathic corporations

But the new left is:
-pro-corporate
-pro-war
-anti-free speech
-pro MASS immigration

So why is that? It seems to me from having listened to the views of many people online and having discussed these matters with them that a lot of people are motivated in their views not through class consciousness but through RACE-consciousness

This means that because the fascist corporate oligarchs are pushing MASS immigration as a way to break down national cohesion and identity within nation states so that they can be destroyed and their populations enslaved under a world government, many people who have a race consciousness and who are motivated purely by a desire to stick it to white people are then supporting this NWO corporate-fascist agenda

These so called 'leftists' are not looking at the bigger picture of where the capitalist oligarchs intend to take us all with this mass social engineering but are instead driven purely by a desire for an OPEN BORDERS policy because they wish to pursue their own racial agenda of making their identity group into the majority demographic

Some of these people dislike white people having a demographic majority in some countries and they wish their own identity group, be it brown, black, yellow (or religious) to become the demographic majority instead. They are in effect themselves RACIAL SUPREMACISTS who lambast white majorities for being 'white supremacists' for simply resisting their own supremacist actions that seek to make white people a demographic minority in every single country on the planet

This is of course deeply hypocritical and there is a sad lack of integrity it seems on the left these days that no one seems willing to address this issue; perhaps we need to ask: does MASS immigration into demographically majority white countries decrease racism as some progressives may claim or does it in fact just increase anti-white racism?

The absurdity of people seperating into 'conservative' and 'liberal' tribes conceals this real racial motivation behind many peoples political views who are seeking to mask their true intentions behind leftwing moral high ground. As a result the 'left' has become colonised by anti-white racists of all kinds and far from the left being a vehicle for worker emancipation it has instead become a vehicle for anti-white racism

As we hear marxist professors call for ending 'whiteness' we have to wonder how white children will be treated in the playgrounds of the west as they become the minority while the very colour of their skin becomes derided by society and marginalised as some sort of defect?

'liberal' means open to change and 'conservative' means managing change. It should be apparent to anyone able to think clearly that as not all change is good that we all are 'liberal' at times and 'conservative' at other times. If i told you to put your head in an oven you would say 'no' and be conservative whereas if i said 'will you sell me your oven for £10,000?' you would become liberal....

Sword And Hammer wrote: Socialism killed Venezuela

Ex, its not the same sean.

ADL writes fiction for yournewswire.com , and I wouldnt expect to see him here.

Though he did join the SZ chatroom once upon during WWforum... when DIF and SZ were at war.

iamawaveofthesea wrote:
That is a very interesting post.
I'm getting sick of this nonsense of people being either liberal or conservative, right -wing or left wing. As if you have to be one or the other.

Most people, probably the silent majority are in the middle - see and accept the good ideas on both sides.

So I think you are right in a lot of your analysis here. So I have no problem opening my mind to a lot of their ideas you present here.

As for the race things- of course there are white groups - AND, you are absolutely correct black groups who are obsessed with that kind of thinking - wanting to be the dominant 'race', and all that total bollocks - but such people in either community are a tiny, TINY minority - and their influence is at best marginal.

For example you mention professors calling for whiteness to be ended. Sure, but come on. These people are in a minority within a minority - in other words, total whackos that 90% of the population would never bother with. Their ideas have NO credence.

So why give nobodies like that any oxygen of attention. Let's concentrate on all the things that unite the majority of people - and not these nutty fringe elements.

iamawaveofthesea wrote:
That is a very interesting post.
I'm getting sick of this nonsense of people being either liberal or conservative, right -wing or left wing. As if you have to be one or the other.

Most people, probably the silent majority are in the middle - see and accept the good ideas on both sides.

So I think you are right in a lot of your analysis here. So I have no problem opening my mind to a lot of their ideas you present here.

As for the race things- of course there are white groups - AND, you are absolutely correct black groups who are obsessed with that kind of thinking - wanting to be the dominant 'race', and all that total bollocks - but such people in either community are a tiny, TINY minority - and their influence is at best marginal.

For example you mention professors calling for whiteness to be ended. Sure, but come on. These people are in a minority within a minority - in other words, total whackos that 90% of the population would never bother with. Their ideas have NO credence.

So why give nobodies like that any oxygen of attention. Let's concentrate on all the things that unite the majority of people - and not these nutty fringe elements.

Seanxx wrote:
Yeah, though I don't agree 100% with his post, for sure wave talks a fair bit of sense and truth in that post. I think most people get how we're being divided. Hence one reason why i was always passionately opposed to mass immigration, Sean. Which incidentally was always something you attacked others for. People being against forced demographic change, that is.

Unity might sound like a nice idea, but unfortunately that's all it is now. Just an illusion. You'll see the queen of England donate her whole wealth, assets, and entire estate to the people of England before you'll see anything that even resembles unity in a multicultural society. And especially in one where the change in demographic has been socially engineered in a matter of a few short decades.

Don't you think that the powers which shouldn't be knew exactly what they were doing when opening up the borders of Europe, dividing everybody along racial lines? Of course they did. Nothing you or I say or do now will ever change a damn thing, either.

To even hope and suggest there could be any chance of unity in such a socially engineered cluster-fuck, is naive and misguided beyond belief., and downright reckless.

And I don't say that because I'm somebody who wants trouble, of course I don't. I say it because I'm a realist, and a man of few illusions. So called 'multicultural' or multiracial societies always and without fail end up with the worst problems, because they are by their very own nature inherently divided. And there are no exceptions throughout history. Neither can there be, or will be, in the future.

Zorro wrote:
Yes, I get the point you are making.

But, I was an immigrant into Britain.

No one forced me to go, I did it for economic reasons.

But I have to face facts as well.

It is now clear from the records of the labour government that they did in fact use and manipulate immigration for political purposes.

It is now clear that this did happen; even the Dala lama has accepted this.

So people like me were wrong in our analysis of this.

But here is the most important thing: the immigrants, the Muslims, or the Irish or any immigrant group are not the enemy. They are the pawns in this- as I probably was - the real scumbags are the ELite - the UK ELite and the EU ELite playing us like chess pieces.

Seanxx wrote:

Yes, foreign immigrants are pawns in that they're utilized in the global chess game for lowering wages and as a wage arbitrage against the native domestic working class. I've seen my fair share of this in my life.

When I was a young man homeless, unemployed, and unable to find work I got a job at an agricultural company for twelve months where I lived, shared residence in corporate housing, and worked with a bunch of undocumented illegal Mexican workers. I was the only blonde haired fair skinned European white man there in a sea of foreigners so imagine how awkward that was from me and as a natural American citizen myself whose family has been in the United States since 1886. I spoke English naturally and everybody else spoke Spanish which made communication very hard. They come to work in the United States to save money and go back to Mexico, Guatemala, Honduras, or Nicaragua to provide for their families. Some go back to their home nations but a great deal stay and become citizens. [This is one of many sad stories I've had to endure in my life, there are numerous others.]

At any rate they're used for one purpose and that is for labor at half the price it would normally cost to hire domestic workers where for all the pretense of caring for them or respecting them they're equally disposable in the eyes of the corporate establishment. The noble foreign worker or immigrant is merely a corporate gimmick and public relations platform to justify dehumanizing criminal activity in terms of labor. I like to think of it as criminal malinvestment. In some ways I did feel pity for them and their was a mutual understanding of hardship working with them however at the end of the day they're in it for themselves and they're invaders whether they know it or not. A dog might not be conscious of what it is doing attacking a person but that doesn't in any way delegitimize it as a threat. In fact that might even make it more dangerous because it is attacking and garnishing threatening behavior unconsciously because it doesn't know any better.

I can tell you right now just from one of my experiences above that is not the kind of life you want to find yourselves in and yet this becoming common place all throughout the west, why?

Sword And Hammer wrote: I've been in that situation myself since the oil prices collapsed recently.
But I can see it's not just the Corporations. it's the Governments enabling this exploitation of people by Corporations. It's the Merger of State and Corporation, It's Corporatism

Rocco wrote:
Corporatism, capitalism, it's all the same to me. I know we won't agree on this but at the very least I'll respect you on grounds of mutual struggle.

Sword And Hammer wrote: Our struggle is not mutual, far from it. My struggle is Against Oppressors and for Freedom. You just want to be the next Oppressor with Government Coercion and Social Engineering. A Free Market, Free Exchange of Goods and Services, Free Movement of People, and Property Rights are Essential for Freedom. And Freedom is Everything

Yes, foreign immigrants are pawns in that they're utilized in the global chess game for lowering wages and as a wage arbitrage against the native domestic working class. I've seen my fair share of this in my life.

When I was a young man homeless, unemployed, and unable to find work I got a job at an agricultural company for twelve months where I lived, shared residence in corporate housing, and worked with a bunch of undocumented illegal Mexican workers. I was the only blonde haired fair skinned European white man there in a sea of foreigners so imagine how awkward that was from me and as a natural American citizen myself whose family has been in the United States since 1886. I spoke English naturally and everybody else spoke Spanish which made communication very hard. They come to work in the United States to save money and go back to Mexico, Guatemala, Honduras, or Nicaragua to provide for their families. Some go back to their home nations but a great deal stay and become citizens. [This is one of many sad stories I've had to endure in my life, there are numerous others.]

At any rate they're used for one purpose and that is for labor at half the price it would normally cost to hire domestic workers where for all the pretense of caring for them or respecting them they're equally disposable in the eyes of the corporate establishment. The noble foreign worker or immigrant is merely a corporate gimmick and public relations platform to justify dehumanizing criminal activity in terms of labor. I like to think of it as criminal malinvestment. In some ways I did feel pity for them and their was a mutual understanding of hardship working with them however at the end of the day they're in it for themselves and they're invaders whether they know it or not. A dog might not be conscious of what it is doing attacking a person but that doesn't in any way delegitimize it as a threat. In fact that might even make it more dangerous because it is attacking and garnishing threatening behavior unconsciously because it doesn't know any better.

I can tell you right now just from one of my experiences above that is not the kind of life you want to find yourselves in and yet this becoming common place all throughout the west, why?

Don't you think that the powers which shouldn't be knew exactly what they were doing when opening up the borders of Europe, dividing everybody along racial lines? Of course they did. Nothing you or I say or do now will ever change a damn thing, either.

To even hope and suggest there could be any chance of unity in such a socially engineered cluster-fuck, is naive and misguided beyond belief., and downright reckless.

Rocco wrote:
Rocco ....... Unrestricted free movement of people will eventually cause unrest.

This is the plan of those who want a One World Government.